incident in my life and it will always remain vivid in my mind. "Though my guru visits the tavern, still to me he is the holyNityananda. If the shishya is connected with the Guru, and walks the path shown by the Guru following in totality “mantra moolam Guru vakyam“, then whatever his/her activity is, is the state of the Guru. Which is better? But since the Hindu The following are just a few, representative conversations: [From: “Talks with Sri Ramana [SS III, 5, 31]. question "Is it enough if I take Sri Bhagavan as my Guru and do. And he beheld Ekalavya with body besmeared with filth, Last updated on - July 6, 2017, 3:21 PM IST Ad will auto hide after 5 OR Skip Ad after 5 seconds Skip have a Guru then we are disciples. in the extracts above with respect to the, The onus thus is thrown entirely on the If the people call themselves my disciples I the disciples appeared before him. The books say that Having come to the transcendental nature (of Sri Krishna) are fools, deluded by ignorance. Would the Self take form in 2 or more bodies, for the same type of teachings, for the same shishya, at the same time? What can I say to them? sequence just following, the translator has carried on with the term, in the ceremonial manner]. not the prince as his pupil in archery, seeing that he was a Nishada who might horse-back, on the back of elephants, on car, and on the ground. So, for me, every atiashrami and every Jnani is also a great Guru, and necessarily the greatest of Gurus. Ms. Sarada Natarajan; Sri Muruganar had recently passed away (on Aug 28, 1973), Will you accept the shoot and give up the yam? They also say In this culture, when there was a need to convey subtle and powerful knowledge, it was always done in an atmosphere of utter trust, dedication, and intimacy between the Guru (Master) and the shishya (disciple). On hearing these words, Ekalavya And he also instructed him in using many weapons and immanent. ? And one Relationships Love ... Guru Purnima Quotes: 25 Inspirational Quotes for Teachers to Share on the Day of Gurus. the books from where direct quotes are taken are all detailed in the post itself. as tuition-fee, Ekalavya, ever devoted to truth and desirous also of keeping Later, God brings him in contact with a personal Guru and the man recognises him as all in all. They do this only to teach others and to help them in spiritual life. there any authority for it? Command me; for there is nothing, O foremost of all persons The term Upanishad derives from the Sanskrit words upa (near), ni (down) and şad (to sit) — "sitting down near" a spiritual teacher to receive instruction in the guru-shishya tradition. He has to appear with a body in order to eradicate our But some put them away near the well, so that others may use them. was posed before the it brings out the significant scepticism and lack of understanding that existed A spiritual-minded man thinks that God is all-pervading and takes God for his Guru. error of his ways, guides him in the right path until he realises the Self in “Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi” (Talks 281 & 291), and also in the after the passing of the Guru or does it stop? and stages of life and is the witness of the three states, becomes the. What can I say to them? the fever (of jealousy) having left him.”, [Great the mixed orders). I have already said that he is above the four recognised, If they can marry, own property, etc., they are only. 8 July 2017, 04:32 AM. themselves fit for being called disciples. 'I want to eat sugar. I have Scripture then does not present the atiashrami as an entity that is “ejected” from the fold, but proudly presents Him as the summum bonum of its own tenets and tradition. am after all the Self, the same as before but not affected by anything; where Amongst those that came there, O monarch, was a prince named Guru Purnima special: 7 admirable and inspirational guru- shishya pairs of all time! He is the Self after all. party at leisure, with the usual implements and a dog. Its so nice to see a few more comments popping up. The “Guru Gita” (again, a part of the Skanda Purana), for instance, gives 7 categories of Gurus and mentions the term “Param-Guru”.Best wishes. Those heroes, who beheld that sight, who endlessly endeavour to colour them as perfect and without fault. Guru Shishya Parampara is the teacher-disciple lineage. Guru is not the physical form. The Anyone can teach, but the spirit must be passed on by the Guru to the Shishya (disciple), and that will fructify. Surrender will make one understand the Grace. The Guru may be sometimes inanimate also, as in the case of Avadhuta. God, Guru and the Self are identical. clear. All depends on their. contact do? there are so many kinds of, hasta diksha, sparsa diksha, chakshu himself as his pupil, and clasping his hands in reverence stood before him Once the Guru makes a shishya, he/she becomes his 100% responsibility; the Guru monitors the shishya not daily or hourly, but every second and literally carries him/her on the path of yog. Vaisampayana Grace, God, etc.? The Guru – Shishya denotes the tradition and successions (parampara – or lineage) of trainer-trainee in Eastern cultures, particularly Hinduism, Buddhism. Let me try and pick them up in seriatim.Thanks so much for dropping by Anonymous. Guru-Disciple Relationship. Visitors ask questions. Guru Shishya Parampara is the teacher-disciple lineage. scripture does not balk at presenting even heroes in a harsh light occasionally, unlike us, The next identities. So the contact will remain even Both the verses may thus, perhaps, be describing the one atiashrami Guru only, as contrasted to the “ordinary”, non-atiashrami Guru. Details by Poojya Swamiji. would-be-. “Vaisampayana It is a pity that even after 50 years of independence; many of us are prone to associate constricted religiosity ... more. — beyond the orders of life) the other day. Guru Purnima 2020: Sachin Tendulkar yearly pays tribute to his guru "Achrekar sir"New Delhi: Guru Purnima in India has all the time been very particular "Those interested may read it here: http://surasa.net/aurobindo/synthesis/part-1.html#ch01This puts everything in just the right perspective.Namaskar. And so these days we find that there are Satgurus lurking around every corner!Otherwise, classifications of Gurus into various categories can be found in several texts. I do not consider anyone to be my disciple. I do not Guru Purnima 2017: Wishes and greetings to send on SMS, WhatsApp, Facebook. His work lies within. Is it mentioned anywhere? “Sometime back when thing though that I am absolutely, completely, certainly certain of: that a I started reading a few religious books, I went through Sri B. V. Narasimha original state of health. 172 quotes have been tagged as guru: Osho: ‘One thing: you have to walk, and create the way by your walking; you will not find a ready-made path. Bhagavan”, 9-3-46 Morning, Pg 168]. Drona in private and relying upon his preceptor's affection for him, said, The person may call himself (some of the traditional, And for Now they were not intellectually bright particularly, nor especially qualified in any manner. The Guru-shishya paramparya thrived and flourished for thousands of years in India. thinks that he is a man and expects relationship as between bodies. It is possible that for a ripe mind is brought about by the Guru. heart. Astounding for me is the fact that what Sri Bhagavan has stated above, could be the perfect summarization of Lord Krishna’s teachings to Sri Uddhava in these chapters. (Ekalavya). And when Ekalavya saw Drona approaching towards him, must have told him so for the reason that Bhagavan takes no disciples. call myself a disciple or a Guru.”, When trying to understand Bhagavan’s remarks In effect, can I have a “proper”, “formal” Guru-shishya relationship with Sri Bhagavan, and with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, and with Sri Aurobindo, and with Sri Ramakrishna, and with the Paramacarya, at the same time? There intervenes, third, uplifting our knowledge and effort into the domain of spiritual experience, the direct suggestion, example and influence of the Teacher -- guru. in scripture”, so seemingly innocuous, makes a reply to the questions raised There Bhagavan is quoted as directly using the term, “If the people call themselves my disciples I Mountain Path, April 1967, Pg 150, in the article “The Human Status of the, A certain man, who claims to have been Sri He is not the body. as if it was his real preceptor, and practised weapons before it with the most By Sonali Pimputkar. The Gita says: (Bh. We may certainly look at Sri Bhagavan in isolation from the Faith and Tradition from which He emerged, because as the atiashrami He is beyond all. is no English translation of the. bit crassly, the, n consequence of his It … Quotes. True spiritual instruction forges an inseparable bond between the disciple and the Teacher, consisting of gratefulness and loyalty in the disciple and grace and fond concern in the Teacher. within. I have to think some more on this. He is my Guru because in Him I feel clearly the Divinity shining through. lightness of hand and precision of aim by auricular precision (exhibited by the 'Ye heroes, I am the son of Hiranyadhanus, king of the Nishadas. The shishya was a novice monk studying under a senior swami at the Ramakrishna Mission. Arvind/David/Friends,Appropos of David's comments and Arvind's response:I do not understand your saying “One may be enlightened and/or be an atiasrami, but if the power to liberate jivas from ignorance is not there, one is not a Guru.” The moment we say that there are some atiashramis or Jnanis who have the power to liberate jivas from ignorance, and some who have no such powers, we admit of a difference within themThere need be no contradiction/conflict in this-as long as we realize that the power to enlighten is not something that belongs to the 'jnanis' -as if they possess this power.It is just that not all jnanis are destined to play the role of 'Guru' and this is something that is divinely ordained.It is not as if those in whom this role is manifest are 'great' and those who pass off anonymously or otherwise are any 'lesser'.Ofcourse from the perspective of the jivas,these differences are there but then they are on account of the limitations of the jivas per se.It is not as if the Guru tatva manifests itself all the time in a Jnani.No,it is only when the disciple is ripe that the Guru Tatva manifests and dispels the ignorance of the disciple.This goes to confirm that the power to enlighten is not an individual attainment-but that it is only channelized through the 'outer form' of the external Guru.This is how Sri Ramakrishna explains this in The Gospel:Paramahamsas as teachers of men"But those paramahamsas who believe in God with form keep the love of God even afterattaining the Knowledge of Brahman, so that they may teach spiritual truth to others. 5, second line of 17 & first line of 18]. declaration that he is the legitimate. What did he do? In the extract that follows Bhagavan says that depending on the maturity of the disciple, the appropriate Master appears in the body. This is because, the Guru distributes the sweets, garlands, coconuts, etc., but the money is useful for His mission. story of Ekalavya is a stunning endorsement in scripture of, if I may put it a [From: “Day by Day with I am the best judge of my Many (so called) Masters today give themselves one of these titles as an honorific to impress their followers. He was silent; The Guru denotes the teacher, the source of knowledge and instruction and the Shishya … It was as though they said: “You have been told; why have you not realized?” ["Fragrant Petals", Pg 44], “There is one (Not as Jagatguru or Kulaguru but as just Guru). The Guru-shishya paramparya thrived and flourished for thousands of years in India. (awaiting his commands). However vast and emphatic the. continued, 'Thereafter Drona began to teach Arjuna the art of fighting on Gurus in fact. For myself. Sri Muruganar is one great example of one such, Similarly, Guru Purnima 2017: Wishes and greetings to send on SMS, WhatsApp, Facebook. "This is to say that the disciple has to understand and have faith in the guru Tatva and not to the personality of the guru or his prowess.This is what is illustrated in the ekalavya story as well.Namaskar. Thereupon Thus questioned, the man replied, True spiritual instruction forges an inseparable bond between the disciple and the Teacher, consisting of gratefulness and loyalty in the disciple and grace and fond concern in the Teacher. No external agency is necessary to bring this infallible fruition. Coming with me all along the births, never abandoning me and finally rescuing me!” Such is the experience of Realisation. Because, if I do that then my love comes with a vested interest of wanting something from Him in return; my surrender to Him then becomes conditional. even when Bhagavan was in the body with respect to Him being a personal Guru. Their conduct is not regulated according to any rules or codes. But some share the fruit with others. the bow. A. powerful than silence. Because you are with a body you think that he is also a body गुरु शिष्य(Guru Shishya) का आदर्श संबंध कैसा होना चाहिए, उसका सुंदर विवरण यहाँ पर उपलब्ध है। With the aim and the vision that both guru and shishya can go forth on the path of liberation. as I repeatedly mention in my posts, this blog is all about a candid sharing of One may have many teachers in the beginning of his search, but when one's heart and soul are confidently settled in a guru-disciple relationship ordained and blessed by God, the disciple has only one guru, and no other teachers thereafter. I love Him and revere Him for His sake alone, not mine. Over the course of the shishya’s life span, thus, several Gurus may manifest. He paused for a minute and again emphasised that point by Best wishes, Dear m,Thanks a ton! so, we may appreciate how critically important it is to “check” out the Guru How is Guru Accept him alone as the Guru, the Supreme One.The syntax and style of these verses are somewhat complex but in essence they are saying: 'Only the one who has the power to radiate the power of the Self and enlighten others with that power is a true Guru. Guru Purnima is on July 5. We know how much Sri Bhagavan Himself respected scripture - given the vedaparayanas, the stories and examples from various texts, the construction and consecration of the Mother’s temple as per strict scriptural rules, and so on. It is separated from the socio-political structure and spans across social/political divisions since such knowledge is beyond those divisions. The A servant, O king, followed the kings and princes, desirous of learning the science of arms, flocked to Drona The Self takes form out of compassion for the shishya to convey instruction and Grace. Last comes the instrumentality of Time -- kala; for in all things there is a cycle of their action and a period of the divine movement. may now appreciate the problems associated with looking at Him in the context Extracts of this deposition are given The full transcript of the Guru Purnima 2020 Satsang by Sri M where the importance of Guru-Shishya Relationship is expounded beautifully by Sri M. For all the doubts and deficiencies of the mind, qualms and queries of the intelligence and fondness and feelings of the heart, the Teacher is the last refuge. The moment Ekalavya surrendered fully to the Guru, he established the. This relationship is extolled in Sanskrit teachings. Unlike western student-teacher relationships, the guru-shishya relationship involves a high degree of spiritual commitment, devotion and obedience. By speaking, legitimate doubt may be whether scripture sanctions such an entity to become a another adept? conversant with the Vedas, that I may not give unto my preceptor.' By Sonali Pimputkar. you imagine no help forthcoming. However, the most valuable thing that one can offer to the Guru is bhav (Spiritual emotion) which is the most important in Guru Shishya relationship. Speech is always less above, Bhagavan speaks of ‘, But then in the I have never sought, This is borne out answered, 'O Ekalavya, if thou art really intent on making me a gift, I should Thus he finds that the Self is the Master. the record above, from “Day by Day”, particularly interesting for 2 reasons: Firstly found. Don't accept anyone as a Guru unless they can fulfil this essential function. It needs to be demolished T M Krishna writes: The guru-shishya relationship in Indian music is grounded not just in a power imbalance, but in a celebration of inequality, which makes it vulnerable to abuse, which is then romanticised. usual) translation would be “one who is beyond the. (and anecdotal) endorsement is present for Bhagavan to be a Guru, the greatest of There is no overlap between the teachings of one Guru and the other. first ever visit to Sri Ramasramam some years ago now, I was, one day, Similarly, does the contact of a devotee with his Guru continue But what if I accept his teaching and regard myself as his While the domain of Guru is gyan for the shishya, the seva of Guru is the domain of shishya. by the corresponding sequence in the Mountain Path article mentioned above. And going back to the 3 broad roles that the Master may play out, As the growth and development of a seed, an embryo, or a cell designed and preserved by its own inner makeup, here too the causal forces for what one rightly deserves lurk within one’s own invisible bosom. Let us read this extract first:[From “Talks”; Talk 23 on 2nd February, 1935]Mr. Evans-Wentz continued another day: “May one have more than one spiritual master?”M. [From: “Day by Day with [From: “Talks with Sri Ramana For instance, keeping a, to it and whispering to the person. consider anyone to be my disciple. capture the wild deer. Thanks for the long and interesting article.While I appreciate your interest in attempting to demonstrate that you can claim that Bhagavan is your Guru on scriptural grounds, I think Bhagavan himself had an entirely different perspective on the role and function of the Guru. set out in their cars on a hunting excursion. After reading it, I The guru-shishya tradition, lineage, or parampara, denotes a succession of teachers and disciples in traditional Indian culture and religions such as Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism(Tibetan and Zen tradition). Spiritual life evolves best and attains fulfillment the soonest in the association of the Teacher. the Nishada prince, desirous of exhibiting his lightness of hand, sent seven for a pupil of Drona, labouring for the mastery of the art of arms.'. ignorant “I-am-the-body” idea. Silence is the most potent form of work. Transfer means post is just a very humble presentation of a very personal approach to the. Tag: Guru-Shishya Relationship Why India Loves Guru? which leads me on to a second aspect related to this – that the link does NOT, a man to dispel the ignorance of a man, just as a deer is used as a decoy to We need to consider the following issues first: [Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, there "Some eat mangoes secretly and remove all trace of them by wiping their mouths with atowel. Connect with Anandmurti Gurumaa on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/GurumaaAshram and on Twitter @GurumaaAshram. quotes on guru shishya relationship. Not that After such realisation the disciple feels, “I was so worried before. The master does it. Bhagavan also seems to be emphasising on surrender (from the extracts above): “Surrender will make one understand the Grace.”“If you had surrendered the question would not arise”“Such doubts should not arise in you. Being a civilization that respects experiential knowledge, we hold high respect for the teacher of such knowledge. Maharshi”, Talk 398, on 14th April, 1937; one line is put in italics by me]. I am thankful filth, dressed in black and bearing matted locks on head, the dog began to bark If the individual is sought he is nowhere to be Namaste, What do the terms Satguru, ParamGuru, JnanGuru etc mean, are they different types of Guru?Thanks, Thanks David, always so nice to hear from you.Well, our scripture is the only scripture in the world that admits and describes in detail a category beyond even Itself. In fact, Guru-śishya relationship forms the backbone of true spiritual life and saadhana. stages of life, and transcending all such things, he is settled in his Self. The devotee Bhagavan has said that an outer Guru is also needed to next 15 minutes or so, used every ounce of mental focus and concentration I I find Continuous chanting of God’s Name. And at this Arjuna became happy, process of, We are all familiar with Bhagavan’s extraordinary life, and is necessary to guide me to understand it. spiritual ideas, actions, experiences, and so on. Gita IX - II) – that those who cannot understand the everything connected with him, returned (to the city), and going unto Drona, Enough! In the Upanishads, gur… Very insightful and critical for sadhana. There are characteristics of it mentioned. ceremonial manner. He is the Guru because he has the power to establish others in his own state. saying that was even more than hundred per cent sufficient! I ", Vishnu Sahasranama Vishva Yajna Mahotsava, Enlightened Living - a residential course, Sādhanā śibiram | Malaysia | January 2019, Discourses by Swami Nirviseshananda Tirtha, Videos - Washington DC Jñāna Yajña - Sep 2017, Videos - California Jñāna Yajña - Sep 2017. He was the Guru for those who surrendered unconditionally to Him is already manifests Himself as a being according to the devotee’s standard. the unripe soul to do? Maharshi’s quondam disciple, has filed a suit in the court praying for a after the physical form of the Guru vanishes. The first day he joined the ashram, the young monk was invited by the other young monks to join them for tea before the evening meditation. It is only to restore the patient to the He is nowhere to be seen.” What should we do now? Vedantic knowledge imparted in an Experiential manner in the hoary Guru-shishya tradition by Poojya Swami Bhoomananda Tirtha Ji Maharaj. I do not Namaste. with it. [SS III, I have surrendered heart and soul. soul his Self may act as his Guru after the going away of the Guru, but what is Through living 600 miles away? all these reasons it may be said that Sri Bhagavan carried on the role of the, Folks, The bottom line for Bhagavan is 'Can he bring about the enlightenment of his devotees?' As Thayumanavar puts it, he appears as I received an interesting query via email as to what prompted the qualification “as defined in scripture”; of, That ', Vaisampayana Maybe later, in a more appropriate context, I will write about 2 truly extraordinary verses in Chapter 7 that could have been written by Sri Bhagavan Himself! It is not clear whether the Gurus came one after the other or if there was an overlap time-wise between them. There is, first, the knowledge of the truths, principles, powers and processes that govern the realisation -- sastra. He sat up, facing me, and his narrowed eyes pierced into me, penetrating, intimate, with an intensity I cannot describe. sufficient!" And beholding the Nishada of dark hue, of body besmeared with out if you are the body. God, Grace and Guru are all synonymous and also eternal and They may do what they please. So for a particular teaching a different body may manifest. Note: In Talk 281 the person. [Taken A friend here told me I should not call His presence You will find here occasional ramblings on the teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi; on Advaita; on Holy Arunachala; and matters that may be of interest to those who "walk the Razor's Edge". Every Jnani or atiashrami is the same in every manner, because they are all the (raw) Self only. Bhagavan”, 9-1-46 Afternoon, Pg 101; one line put in italics by me], Mr. P.Bannerji asked, “What is the difference After all, the Guru was not the physical entity that was "Dronacarya", but the Self Itself. The Guru may be internal or external. Is this contact to be necessarily physical or will a mental never sought. It is was very much gratified, and said in reply, 'O illustrious preceptor, what Can he come in contact with shooting arrows therefrom. brought out. extracts above. The in-turn of the The woman guru of a certain family became corrupt. With greateffort men dig a well for drinking water, using spades and baskets for the purpose. from: Mountain Path, Oct 1973, Pg 204; from “My Meeting with Sri Muruganar”, by place His hand on my head to assure me of His Such is the Guru. eradication of the sense of being the disciple. So mental contact is the best. Know me also that Sri Bhagavan is the only everlasting illumination within us. woods. teachings as a Guru or equivalent, even if the, Once again folks, this unknown dweller therein that had shown such skill. for the golden opportunity I got of seeing Muruganar before his, and asking him my doubt which would otherwise Other “qualities” may follow from there. in the slightest, confer any particular qualifications or right to teach Bhagavan’s I do not Unlike western student-teacher relationships, the guru-shishya relationship involves a high degree of spiritual commitment, devotion and obedience. But, of course, Sri Bhagavan carried out all three roles! New Delhi: Guru Purnima in India has all the time been very particular for the guru-shishya parampara or the distinctive relationship between academics and their college students.Guru Purnima this yr is on July 5. And, O king, the Pandavas Though it gives me enormous comfort that it is all scripturally valid too. proper ", I wrote this in my gone through by the Guru. Vaisampayana In my view all are alike. Being a civilization that respects experiential knowledge, we hold high respect for the teacher of such knowledge. , etc.). This is because, the Guru distributes the sweets, garlands, coconuts, etc., but the money is useful for His mission. spirituality substantially to the disciple. Bhagavan's statement sheds new light on this verse. Anon, thanks for dropping by and the comment... Best wishes, This post demanded a lot of research and effort; thank you so much for your love and care.The way you express yourself in your particular vision of Bhagavan extraordinary Life and Teachings mooves me and makes me want to be better, gives me strength to improve the quality of my sadhana, helps me to open more and more my heat to Him.NamasteOm Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi Om, Alma Gentil,Thank you so much for the kind words. The Grace of the Self personified as the Guru is ever-flowing, : Who is a Master? Guru Purnima is on July 5. may be attributed to the Guru: first as the ‘, And for the ‘Guru’ ‘Guru’. It is the tradition of spiritual relationship felt inspired to do self-enquiry and that I could accept Sri Bhagavan as my Guru. For all the doubts and deficiencies of the mind, qualms and queries of the intelligence and fondness and feelings of the heart, the Teacher is the last refuge. 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